PRIMOBOLAN DEPOT 25 amps @ 100mg/1ml

CLENBUTEROL 170 tabs @ 20mcg/tab

T – 3 50 tabs @ 25mcg/tab

A Good Solid Cutting cycle here for all you bro’s looking to get cut and ripped for summer !

Remember to keep your diet clean and always use liver support (milk thistle or Liv52)
DONT FORGET YOUR PCT !



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wks 1 – 10 test.e @ 250mg ( 1 shot a week)
wks 1 – 10 eq @ 400mg ( 2 shots a week )
wks 6 – 10 winnie @ 50mg ED ( use the 50mg tabs )

You will get nice lean gains from this cycle especially if its your 1st time using this cycle.

Remeber your PCT !

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Here is a very interesting read i found while searching the net …

The genesis for this article was a thread on one of the smaller bodybuilding boards titled Cycling for Pennies. Written by Dogg (he is known by his prior “hardcore” writings fame), his one post eventually inspired him to write over 25 pages of material, outlining his philosophies on a wide range of bodybuilding topics. He has garnered a loyal following directly because he was writing about subjects seven years ago that have became staples in bodybuilding today. What follows is a drastically pared down version, briefly touching upon some of the many issues he discussed in his various posts. It’s Dogg’s intention to use this article as an introduction to a series of articles he will write for AE, discussing in much greater details some of the points addressed here. Meuller: As Dogg and I have a lot of the same ideas, he asked me to interject some of my thoughts in these articles along with his.

Dogg: Without sounding cocky I am a very advanced bodybuilder down here in
San Diego–cruising at 285lbs or so and going up over 300 this year. I came from a very, very hard gaining and skinny genetic structure (140lbs about 10 years ago) so gains have never come easy and I didn’t start super supplements until I was 225 clean (took me 6 years). (I use food as my chief anabolic).

What I am amazed at is the number of 180 to 220lb bodybuilders on the net who spend ungodly amounts of money and use so many different exotic compounds thinking that it is the end all super stack of all stacks. And they take huge, huge risks in trying to acquire these drugs. I have had an abundance of pro and top amateur friends to gain the knowledge that pretty much these top people in the sport are blasting high amounts of test as the base drug in the offseason to put on pro size with mostly one (sometimes two) other compounds (usually fina, or equipoise or some other non exotic drug and GH if it can be afforded). I firmly believe you will gain 2 times the amount of muscle off of 2 grams of test either alone or with another compound than having some kind of exotic stack involving 3 to 6 exotic hard to get expensive compounds. The receptor site theories have proven to be bunk. The cheapest and best stack I can think of anyone doing to put on major size is a gram or two of test with arimidex to keep water off with fina 75 to 150mg every other day for 4 weeks –then 2 to 3 weeks of cruising (test at 300-400mg and clomid at 5 (day one), 4(day two), 3(day three),then 2 every day for 2 weeks)–and then back on everything full again (maybe equipoise used instead of fina this
time) for 4 weeks (then 2 to 3 weeks cruising again etc etc)—if you can’t gain gobs of muscle on that nothing exotic (masteron, etc etc etc) surely isn’t going to do it for you. Testosterone is always the base for any gaining cycle of any pro friend I’ve had or top people with whom I talked with off record. I have never even been over 1000mg of test myself (yet) but I see guys spending and using 10 times the amount I do weighing 70lbs less. I think there is a major problem when the easiest, cheapest and most potent things are right in front of people and they are off searching for substance B-737
undecylate in bulgaria.

Meuller: All too often we’ve seen 180-220 lbs bodybuilders obsessed with some irrelevant minutiae of bodybuilding, arguing the merits of using anavar stacked with creatine or how dosages of primobolan should be divided up in order to maximize size. Just the other day in the gym, I heard two wannabe bodybuilders actually discussing the merits of using creatine stacked with various fruit juices. Now admittedly, I train at 24 Hour Fitness, not the most hardcore gym on the planet, but I literally had to laugh out loud listening to these two idiots taking each other incredibly seriously over an issue that has about as much relevance to the gaining of lean body mass as what kind of underwear I choose to put on prior to my foray into the gym. I know that both Dogg and myself receive countless emails from bodybuilders looking for that one special compound, you know the one I mean, the secret steroid that all the pros are using and no one else seems to be able to get their hands on. The steroid that if only I could manage to obtain, I’d be kicking Coleman’s ass all over the Olympia stage in no time. There is a major problem when the cheapest, easiest, and most potent drugs are widely available and bodybuilders are blaming their lack of success on everything but their food intake, work ethic in the gym, or cycles that wouldn’t make my girlfriend grow.

Perhaps the biggest secret in bodybuilding is that there are no secrets. There are no secret stacks, there are no secret drugs, the amateurs and pros that we see in Flex and other magazines are using the same drugs that are readily available to you or I. Ask any top amateur or pro what his favorite steroid is and you’ll undoubtedly get the same answer from everyone: TESTOSTERONE!! 2 grams of test a week is going to put size on you unlike anything else, I don’t care how exotic or expensive. You show me a rare DDR steroid that supposedly is 50X as anabolic as testosterone and runs $600 per bottle and I’ll show you a GC/MS assay of cheap steroids you could pick up in Mexico for $20. Anavar? A drug I put my girlfriend on if she wants to gain a few pounds of muscle. Primobolan? A steroid I’d give to my kid if he had the flu. Ok, these drugs may have their place in a bridging cycle, but believe me, no bodybuilder attempting to gain brutal size need to concern himself with mass cycles containing impotent steroids like anavar and primobolan.

Dogg: I am of the opinion that people should use the lowest dosages possible that will keep them gaining. If a newbie bodybuilder starts off with 2 grams of T every week and a high dose of fina etc, etc and eventually taps out on that where is he going to go? 4000 a week? I believe one should make their way up 750, to 1000 to 1200 to 1500 and so on slowly thru cycles. I am an advocate of the 4 week on 2 week cruising (then back on) method not because of receptor site saturation but due to 3 very important (to me) factors…

1) I lift extremely heavy and I push the limits for 4 weeks and I just need 2 weeks to kind of regroup myself and then go balls to the wall again with poundages for the next 4 weeks

2)Same with food intake-I religiously get in 500 to 600 grams of protein and I have to give myself a little break for those 2 weeks (I only go down to
400grams or so) or I’ll go crazy

3) I think it’s of utmost importance to keep yourself regulated HPTA-wise. If
your endogenous test levels diminish due to constant months of high androgens
when you do finally come off those size gains fly out the door…if you can
keep your endo test somewhat normal you wont get the huge problems that keep
most bodybuilders bouncing up and down in bodyweight like yo-yo’s..namely
getting colds and flu’s/injuries/depression/lack of aggression and appetite
(which usually means test to estrogen ratio out of whack)…During the
cruising period the 300-400mg of test will keep you from losing any muscle at
all and the clomid and arimidex will get you as close (via 2 different
routes) to homeostasis as possible.

Meuller: Repeat– We are not advocating that a newbie run out and start
injecting himself with 2 grams of testosterone per week in an attempt to gain
as much size as possible? Let me quantify what we are trying to say. At
some point, 2 grams a week of testosterone may become a necessity as you
reach the upper limits of size your body will grow on bodybuilding drugs.
Just as we all have a natural limit to how big we can get naturally, we also
have a limit to how big we can get using performance enhancing drugs. You
look at bodybuilders like Ruhl, Yates, or Coleman and you’re seeing men who
have virtually maxed out their ability to add more muscle. Did Dorian’s
physique change noticeably from year to year during his last several
Olympias? Has Coleman’s? Sure, perhaps they come in a little tighter,
Coleman may fluctuate 10 lbs in bodyweight from year to year, but
realistically, these guys reached their genetic limit to add muscle long ago.
Now the massive amounts of drugs they take are simply to maintain the
incredible amounts of LBM they have accrued over years of training, eating,
and juicing. And this article isn’t being written for the Yates, Colemans,
or Ruhls of the bodybuilding world, I seriously doubt they’re coming to AE
for advice. This article is written for you, the aspiring bodybuilder,
someone who wants to gain as much muscle as quickly as possible but doesn’t
know how. Let’s say you’re an aspiring bodybuilder with good genetics and
want to start your first cycle. If you start out at 2000 mg of test a week
with other assorted steroids, where are you going to go from there when you
eventually stop growing. You should seek to start with as low
of an effective dose as possible and work your way up, always bearing in mind
that your cycle is probably the last reason why you’re not growing. You show
me a 180 lb bodybuilder that’s not growing on 750 mg of test a week and 50 mg
of methandrostenolone per day and I’ll show you someone who isn’t eating or
training correctly unless he’s 4’11”.

A good starting dose for a newbie is in the range of 750-800 mg of
testosterone per week, stacked with another steroid like methandrostenolone
(50 mg/day in divided doses), trenbolone acetate (75 mg ED), or even an old
standby like deca (600 mg/week). Use of an anti-aromatase like Arimidex is a
must. As Dogg advocates, steroid cycles are times during which your body must
be pushed to its limits. All too often you’ll see so-called bodybuilders
(bodybuilders in their own mind really) begin a cycle and maintain the same
kind of eating and training habits they adhered to pre-cycle. Will they
gain muscle? Most definitely, several double-blind medical studies have
proven that moderate dosages of testosterone will add small amounts of LBM
and cause a slight decrease in body fat without any change in diet or
exercise programs. But then again, that’s not really bodybuilding now is it?
Bodybuilding is an attempt to build yourself up to what you consider to be a
physical ideal, and for more AE readers than not, that means brutally huge
size. Brutally huge size is the result of two primary actions 1) brutal
workouts and 2) a brutal eating schedule. Steroids assist in both of these
endeavors, allowing you to train harder in the gym and increasing appetite so
one can consume more food. There is also a limit to how much of this the
psyche and body can take, regardless of how tough you are mentally or how
genetically gifted you may be. My workout partner and I have been training
balls to the wall for the past 2 months with the singular goal of my reaching
310 lbs. We agreed that once I reached this weight, we would take 5 days off
from the gym and do nothing but rest as much as our respective schedules will
allow. In all seriousness, we both breathed a sigh of relief when I stepped
on the scale Monday night and it read 312 lbs, because we were both very
nearly at our breaking point. We agreed to finish out the week as planned (I
didn’t expect to break 310 until Thursday or Friday) and then take all of
next week off. You’re seeing more and more top bodybuilding gurus advocate
training cycles in this fashion, Dogg advocates 4 week training cycles,
Trevor Smith from Nuclear advocates 6 week, and I advocate 8 week cycles.
Doggs 4 week training cycle involves cruising for 2 weeks after the initial
four weeks (as discussed above) to get the HPTA back in check and then back
on full bore again. You can either keep doing that indefinitely or stop the
4+2 regimen whenever you deem in necessary. Regardless of whether it’s
4+4, 6, or 8 weeks, at some point your body needs a break when you’re doing
everything right in and out of the gym.

Robbie

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Test Prop 1ml/100mg EOD for 8 weeks
Tren Ace 1ml/100mg EOD for 8 weeks
Winstrol 50mg (oral) Every day (including weekends) last 4 weeks

so for this cycle you would need 30ml of test prop , 30ml of tren a and 140 10mg winstrol tabs or 28 50mg winstrol tabs

Remeber Your PCT also …

clomid 300mg day 1 , 200mg day 2 , 100mg day 3, 50mg day 4 – 14
Nolva 40mg day 1 – 7 , 20mg day 8 – 14

You should start to see lean gains and a loss of body fat in about 2weeks from starting the cycle!

Robbie

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Weeks 1-4 Dbol (methandienone) 30-40mgs ED
Weeks 1-12 Test Enanthate/Cypionate 500mgs (250mgs 2x/Week)
Weeks 1-10 Deca(nandrolone decanoate) 400mgs (200mgs 2X/week)

PCT

HCG 1500iu on the 1st/5day of PCT, start HCG and clomid 2 weeks after last inject.

CLOMID THERAPY:
Day 1 300mg
Days 2-7 100mg daily
Days 8-14 50mg daily

For more information regarding PCT please join HM Forum and ask this question on PCT rubric.

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Welcome ,

Right i thought id post up a review of Geneza Pharmaceuticals , i previously tried the UG Brand so i thought id share my findings and results with you all!

First off this is the cycle i did ..

GP Test Enanth 250 @ 500mg each week (12weeks 2 x injections / week)
GP Deca 250 @ 500mg each week (12weeks 2 x injections / week)
GP Methan 10 @ 30mg Each day (week 1 – 4)

Well this is a basic mass bulk cycle and one ive tried many times before with many different brands (Human Grade and UG labs) so i know what results i should be getting while on cycle.
Well first impressions start with the Dbol , i was only using a low dose @ 30mg each day but it still seemed very effective, after the 1st day i noticed the pump in my biceps and the fuller feeling i normally get in my arms when on dbols, by the third week i had gained a solid 4lbs through eating a good clean diet.
Only problem with these dbols is that by the middle of week 4 i had terrible back pumps even though i was running it at a low dosage.
Ive run Dbols before at 50mg ED for 4 weeks and not got these back pumps so im unsure why i got them at a lower dose, maybe something lacking in my diet or maybe the tabs where overdosed ?
The GP Test Enanth was a painless injection and quite smooth even with a 25g needle, i could feel the test kicking in by the end of week 3 , i got a sense of well being and balls like peanuts lol !
The Decca was also painless and smooth , by the end of week 8 i had but on 10lbs i did have a fair amount of water bloat but that was to be expected, i did also notice that by week 5 i had quite alot of back acne but again this is normal for me and was expected.
At the end of the 12 weeks i had gained a impressive 16lbs but after my PCT i kept 12lbs , still quite impressive, i looked alot fuller and was very happy with the results.
So all in all apart from the back pumps on the dbol Geneza scored quite highly with me!
It was a good cycle and i was happy with the results , i wouldnt say Geneza where Human grade quality but they are a very close UG lab version !

They score an massive 8 / 10
and i would recommend them , now im looking forward to Geneza Tren !

Robbie

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* You´ve done over 5 cycles
* You´ve stacked 2 steroids and one other drug (an anti-estrogen, clen, etc…) in one cycle
* You´ve done cycles for at least 2 different reasons (i.e. cutting, bulking, strength gain, etc& )
* You´ve done Post Cycle Therapy and kept more than 50% of your gains

Most of my recommendations for considering yourself an advanced steroid user are self-explanatory. Basically, my worry here is that no matter how many cycles you´ve done, if you´re losing half of your gains from each cycle, then you have a lot of work to do to figure out what you´re doing wrong after your cycles end. There´s really no way around that fact & if you´re not keeping half of your gains, then something is going wrong when you end your cycles. Before you jump into an advanced cycle, with multiple compounds and drugs, you need to get your post cycle in order. If you´re losing more than half your gains from every cycle… then something isn´t in check. You aren´t an advanced steroid user you´ve just used a lot of them. But, if you keep most of your gains from each cycle, and meet the other 3 criteria for being advanced, then this cycle is for you!

Here´s a sample of an advanced bulking cycle:

Week 1 – 6 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg Each Week
Week 1 – 12 Tren Enanthate @ 600mg Each week
Week 1 – 6 Dbol @ 50mg Each Day
Week 7 – 14 Testosterone Prop @ 100mg Each Day
Week 7 – 14 Winstrol Injection @ 50mg Each Day
Week 1 – 14 – Nolvadex @ 10mg Each Day
Week 15 – 17 – Nolvadex @ 20mg Each Day
Week 15 – Clomid @ 100mg Each Day
Week 16 – 17 – Clomid @ 50mg Each Day

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Anabolic steroids are drugs that resemble androgenic hormones (sometimes called male hormones) such as testosterone (Figure 1). Athletes consume them in the hope of gaining weight, strength, power, speed, endurance, and aggressiveness. They are widely used by athletes involved in such sports as track and field (mostly the throwing events), weight lifting, and American football. However, in spite of their tremendous popularity, their effectiveness is controversial. The research literature is divided on whether anabolic steroids enhance physical performance. Yet, almost all athletes who consume these substances acclaim their beneficial effects. Many athletes feel that they would not have been as successful without them.

There are several possible reasons for the large differences between experimental findings and empirical observations. An incredible mystique has arisen around these substances, providing fertile ground for the placebo effect. The use of anabolic steroids in the “real world” is considerably different from that in rigidly controlled, double-blind experiments (in a double blind study, neither the subject nor experimenter knows who is taking the drug). Most studies have not used the same drug dosage used by athletes. Institutional safeguards prohibit administration of high dosages of possibly dangerous substances to human subjects. Subjects in research experiments seldom resemble accomplished weight-trained athletes. Under these conditions, we must assess the results of sound research studies, as well as clinical and empirical field observations, in order to obtain a realistic profile of the use, effects on performance, and side effects of these substances.

How Anabolic Steroids Work

Male hormones, principally testosterone, are partially responsible for the tremendous developmental changes that occur during puberty and adolescence. Male hormones have androgenic and anabolic effects. Androgenic effects are changes in primary and secondary sexual characteristics. These include enlargement of the penis and testes, voice changes, hair growth on the face, axilla, and genital areas, and increased aggressiveness. The anabolic effects of androgens include accelerated growth of muscle, bone, and red blood cells, and enhanced neural conduction.

Anabolic steroids have been manufactured to enhance the anabolic properties (tissue building) of the androgens and minimize the androgenic (sex-linked) properties. However, no steroid has eliminated the androgenic effects because the so-called androgenic effects are really anabolic effects in sex-linked tissues. The effects of male hormones on accessory sex glands, genital hair growth, and oiliness of the skin are anabolic processes in those tissues. The steroids with the most potent anabolic effect are also those with the greatest androgenic effect.

Steroid Receptors

Steroid hormones work by stimulation of receptor molecules in muscle cells, which activate specific genes to produce proteins. They also affect the activation rate of enzyme systems involved in protein metabolism, thus enhancing protein synthesis and inhibiting protein degradation (called an anti-catabolic effect).

Heavy resistance training seems to be necessary for anabolic steroids to exert any beneficial effect on physical performance. Most research studies that have demonstrated improved performance with anabolic steroids used experienced weight lifters who were capable of training with heavier weights and producing relatively greater muscle tension during exercise than novice subjects. The effectiveness of anabolic steroids is dependent upon unbound receptor sites in muscle. Intense strength training may increase the number of unbound receptor sites. This would increase the effectiveness of anabolic steroids.

Anti-Catabolic Effects Of Anabolic Steroids

Many athletes have said that anabolic steroids help them train harder and recover faster. They also said that they had difficulty making progress (or even holding onto the gains) when they were off the drugs. Anabolic steroids may have an anti-catabolic effect. This means that the drugs may prevent muscle catabolism that often accompanies intense exercise training. Presently, this hypothesis has not been fully proven.

Anabolic steroids may block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after exercise. Anabolic steroids may prevent tissue from breaking down following of an intense work-out. This would speed recovery. Cortisol and related hormones, secreted by the adrenal cortex, also has receptor sites within skeletal muscle cells. Cortisol causes protein breakdown and is secreted during exercise to enhance the use of proteins for fuel and to suppress inflammation that accompanies tissue injury.

Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete’s body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.

Anabolic steroid use decreases testosterone secretion. People who stop taking steroids are also hampered with less male hormone than usual during the “off” periods. The catabolic effects of cortisol are enhanced when the athlete stops taking the drugs and strength and muscle size are lost at a rapid rate.

The rebound effect of cortisol and its receptors presents people who use anabolic steroids with several serious problems: (1) psychological addiction is more probable because they become dependent on the drugs. This is because they tend to lose strength and size rapidly when off steroids. To stave off deconditioning, athletes may want to take the drugs for long periods of time to prevent falling behind. (2) Long-term administration increases the chance of serious side-effects. (3) Cortisol suppresses the immune system. This makes steroid users more prone to diseases, such as cold and flu, during the period immediately following steroid administration.

Psychological Effects

Some researchers have speculated that the real effect of anabolic steroids is the creation of a “psychosomatic state” characterized by sensations of well being, euphoria, increased aggressiveness and tolerance to stress, allowing the athlete to train harder. Such a psychosomatic state would be more beneficial to experienced weight lifters who have developed the motor skills to exert maximal force during strength training. Diets high in protein and calories may also be important in maximizing the effectiveness of anabolic steroids.

Anabolic Steroids and Performance

The effects of anabolic steroids on physical performance are unclear. Well controlled, double blind studies have rendered conflicting results. In studies showing beneficial effects, body weight increased by an average of about four pounds, lean body weight by about six pounds (fat loss accounts for the discrepancy between gains in lean mass and body weight), bench press increased by about 15 pounds, and squats by about 30 pounds (these values represent the average gains for all studies showing a beneficial effect). Almost all studies have failed to demonstrate a beneficial effect on maximal oxygen consumption or endurance capacity. Anabolic steroid studies have typically lasted six to eight weeks and have usually used relatively untrained subjects.

Most changes in strength during the early part of training are neural: increased strength is mainly due to an improved ability to recruit motor units. Anabolic steroids affect processes associated with protein synthesis in muscle. Studies lasting six weeks (typical study length) would largely reflect neural changes and could easily miss the cellular effects of the drugs.

The gains made by athletes in uncontrolled observations have been much more impressive. Weight gains of thirty or forty pounds, coupled with thirty percent increases in strength, are not unusual. Such case studies lack credibility because of the absence of scientific controls. However, it would be foolish to completely disregard such observations because the “subjects” have been highly trained and motivated athletes.Please see the articles on pharmacology of sport and sports medicine in the countries of the former Soviet Union for more information on anabolic steroids.

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